Talks with Students II

I was nervous the whole time from when I stepped out of my dorm! I was even worried about whether the Uber driver would let me ride — I remember I had trouble getting an Uber the day before my flight because I was wearing a mask. Two Ubers took one look at me and drove off.

I was more freaked out than the average person because I had a tickling cough that occurred at night so it was really stressful.

– Vanessa, a student at UCL

One aspect of social media that has been personally beneficial to me, in all this, has being able to contact those living abroad. I was fortunate enough to make some brilliant friends in my time in Asia, and through Zoom and Facebook I have been able to check on their welfare, whilst also gaining insights into how respective governments have responded to the pandemic.

Certain countries in East Asia have been praised immensely; focus has centered on their efforts at contact tracing – ‘test, trace, isolate’, and imposing early lockdowns. Viewing the actions of these governments through a western lens, I must admit, I found this aggressive approach a little, well, disturbing. Data was swiftly released online on the whereabouts of an infected Vietnamese woman in Hanoi; where she had dined for lunch, which streets she had visited, all following an hour-by-hour timeline throughout the day.

Taiwan has only had one death from the Coronavirus

The libertarian in me was shrieking at privacy laws being violated, but in all honesty the question is, what privacy laws?

How then, can this approach be navigated by overwhelmed Western countries trying to learn from the East, whilst simultaneously maintaining individual rights of privacy?

To hear a personal story on this, I have been able to contact a student at UCL. Vanessa, a student from Taiwan, came to London to study Arts and Sciences. Just before the U.K. government imposed lockdown, she took off for Taiwan; desperate to get home.

We talk about her experiences of flying, the lockdown and lessons to learn from the Taiwanese government.


Vanessa, Student at University College London


Hello Vanessa. You study at UCL. I heard you decided to leave for Taiwan before the lockdown was imposed. Can I ask what led to this decision?

V: Initially I just wanted to return home for the month-long Easter holiday, so I booked a return flight perhaps a week before UCL announced cancellation of teaching. However once UCL announced the cancellation and the cases began to rise, I became really anxious and decided that Taiwan was the safest place to be, so I was going home for a long while. I moved out of my dorm in the days before my flight; 18th of March.

In the light of the constantly circulating news, it must have been scary to board the plane. Can you tell me what the atmosphere was like at the airport? Was it busy/quiet, and were people being very careful about their proximity to others?

V: I was nervous the whole time from when I stepped out of my dorm! I was even worried about whether the Uber driver would let me ride — I remember I had trouble getting an Uber when I had to move stuff to my cousin’s house the day before my flight because I was wearing a mask. (Two Ubers took one look at me and drove off.)

Gatwick was super quiet, lots of shops were closed and there were no crowds as we walked around the shopping area on the way to the gate. Most people weren’t that cautious about social distancing, except when we got to the gate and it was mainly Taiwanese people. They took it very seriously and were prepped with PPE. I was more freaked out than the average person because I had a tickling cough that occurred at night so it was really stressful.


A worker in Taiwan

My family and I got a mass text that we were in the same area as sailors from an infected navy ship

I have read that Taiwan has been praised for its response to the pandemic. Do you feel safer in Taiwan than the UK? And what lessons could have been learnt by countries such as the UK?

For sure! I’ve never been so relieved to go home— at that time Taiwan only had 50 cases while the UK had over 1,000. Before I boarded, my friends sent me a QR code to fill out my health particulars online before I boarded, so that when I landed I would be allowed to bypass the long lines for health checks. I also got tested at the airport along with my friend because we both declared on the form that we had minor cold symptoms and wanted to be on the safe side. The process was surprisingly not intimidating and very efficient, I got out of the airport in a little over 2hrs, and headed home to begin my 14 day quarantine.

Some lessons that can be learnt from Taiwan’s example:

Tracing cases early on and containing them before community transmission gets out of hand. For example, my family and I got a mass text that we were in the same area as sailors from an infected navy. Their locations were posted publicly so people could take measures…

If you don’t have a suitable quarantine place for whatever reason, the gov. will provide a place. It’s pretty decent quality, despite the ruckus from that BBC article.


Taipei

My parents left me food on a tray outside the door daily

On your arrival into Taiwan from the UK, did you have to go into isolation for a period of time? If you did, can you tell me what that was like?

I definitely felt that I was in safe hands from the way the quarantine was carried out by the Taiwan CDC. I stayed in my own room the whole time, and my parents left me food on a tray outside the door daily. We all wore masks if they needed to speak to me at 1.5m distance. My mum screams if I accidentally get too close!

My phone signal was tracked as well so that I couldn’t leave or I would be fined. I received a packet of masks from the Gov. and special trash bags for my own use to avoid contaminating others.

After my quarantine I was free to leave the house, and I noticed a lot less people on the streets. Everyone wears masks; it’s mandatory to wear them on public transport. Stores check your temperature and spray your hands with alcohol before you can enter.



Taiwan is located only 130km from mainland China. Are you able to comment on the initial atmosphere after arriving home from the UK? Was there a lot of fear and panic ensuing in the country?

The week I arrived home was the most severe since the outbreak. The atmosphere was not panicked; more vigilant and cautious. There wasn’t much panic buying since masks were rationed from the start – right now every 2 weeks we can collect 9 masks; 1 mask costs 5NTD.

On a personal note, your studies have now been disrupted. Do you still plan to continue studying, and do you have plans to return to the UK?

Like all UCL first years, our exams/ assessments are canceled and replaced with one pass/fail capstone assessment. I plan to return for Second year this September, unless the situation is still terribly dangerous.


My phone signal was tracked as well so I couldn’t leave or I would be fined. I received a packet of masks from the Government and special trash bags for my own use to avoid contaminating others.


Finally, I was reading that Australia is supporting Taiwan’s return to the World Health Organisation (WHO). What is your opinion on Taiwan’s status in regards to this?

Taiwan has definitely received a lot of international support for attending the WHO conference, but as of yet the WHO isn’t budging and is unlikely to do so. Taiwan has been benefiting from a boost in global status thanks to mask diplomacy/healthcare, but once the pandemic starts to decline I wonder how quickly other nations will forget Taiwan’s role and what it offers for the global response. 



Once the pandemic starts to decline I wonder how quickly other nations will forget Taiwan’s role and what it offers for the global response.

Thank you, Vanessa. Some very insightful answers.

Next time, I hope to talk to a Filmmaker in China.

Until then, ciao.

Talks with Students

Groningen on one of those starry-eyed Sundays

Recently, one of the fellow students on my course decided to leave Groningen in the Netherlands to return home. This was by no means a strange occurrence, the main difference here however, was my friend was returning to Bergamo, the epicentre of the pandemic in Italy.

With the world standing on a strange precipice right now, many students have been frantically returning home, or desperately trying too.

One of my friends abroad recently graduated, having to enjoy the celebrations virtually. Here’s to spilling the champagne all over your laptop, as you strain a virtual smile to the Dean of your faculty. Japan even have iPad’s doing the job for us. The world of automation has finally come to good fruition. All we ever needed was a pandemic.

 

 

My aforementioned friend wrote a very moving Instagram post about leaving Groningen, so I set out to understand his point of view. I wanted to hear what had lead to this decision; were his fears grounded in reality; the different responses from the two respective countries; and finally if he would be able to keep studying at such a time.

In advance, thank you Andrea.

Andrea, Student at The University of Groningen

Hello Andrea. 

I know you’ve recently decided to leave Groningen and return to Italy. 

I hope to ask you some questions and in turn have a conversation which others around the world will hopefully find enlightening at this troubling time. You are an International Student studying International Relations at Groningen, and I thank you for your insights.

So with that, let’s begin;

With the current global situation still escalating in some countries, whilst slowing in others, it made me think that perhaps the course currently feels irrelevant.

Can you tell me, under the current circumstances – and taking into consideration the fact that the course has a focus on Globalisation – do you feel the course is irrelevant? Or is it the opposite, is it more relevant than ever?

A: I don’t think the course of study is irrelevant. On the contrary, I believe that this global pandemic demonstrates that on certain issues, in this case health security, it is essential for the future to have well-structured prevention plans at the global level. Certainly for those like us who are still  students, and that now find themselves in the position of approaching the world of work in this period, this international context of crisis does not help. As you know we have a mandatory internship in the course, and probably given the circumstances it will be very complex to find one. 

Nevertheless these are two different discourses: now it is certainly more difficult to find a window to enter into the field of work. Nevertheless I don’t think that the sector has become irrelevant. There are still much things that need to be done, probably even more than before.

Groningen by day

You mention in your post that you see the University as a representation of your commitment to reach your goals. Considering what has happened, do you feel your goals have been put on hold somewhat, or do you still feel invigorated and motivated to work?

A: Certainly the University of Groningen, at least for me, has a deeper meaning rather than representing just a simple academic path: I see it as the representation of the way that I want to follow to achieving my future goals.

The current situation does not change my goals. And it doesn’t change my motivation either.

But it can certainly make these goals more difficult to achieve. For example, as mentioned above, in our course we have a mandatory placement; that part of the course has always been the one that intrigued me most.

I could not wait, and still can’t wait, to get involved in an international working context linked to my field of study. 

This pandemic obviously slowed down the application procedures, possibly even making them disappear completely. 

Surely this will have an impact on several students of our course who will have much more difficulty in finding an internship.

Like everyone else I will have to try to do my best to overcome these new and unexpected difficulties that the world has put in front of our face.

Andreapost

To recap, you recently left Groningen to fly back to Italy. Could you explain your decision, or the main focus of your decision?

A: My decision arose mainly from the desire to spend this period at my home in Bergamo, with my family.  Primarily because I believe that being close to your beloved ones is important in such a complicated period.

Moreover, given the online nature that courses will have for the whole semester, I decided to return to Italy also to save money on the rental price – which I obviously don’t pay anymore – since my presence in Groningen become quite superfluous.


Was there any resistance to your decision to head back to Bergamo, knowing that it was particularly hard-hit by the pandemic?

A: No, on the contrary my family was pushing a lot for my return. 

Furthermore you have to consider that I came back when, although  the situation was still serious, the worst crisis in Bergamo was already passed.

Having now returned to Bergamo itself to see your family, can you comment on the atmosphere upon returning? Has it been a difficult transition?

A: Personally now that I am at home with my family I am experiencing a good atmosphere. We are all happy to be together and we are enjoying the beautiful sunny days being out in our big garden, trying to make the most of this period of “forced rest” at home.

But I have to say that surely arriving in Italy you can breathe a much more serious and heavy atmosphere regarding the pandemic. 

In Groningen, on the whole, the situation has always remained quiet and almost normal. In Italy on the contrary no, especially in Bergamo the people have suffered a lot – with death rates 10 times higher than normal. 

The impact I had with the scrupulous controls in the airport, with deserted highways and with a life that seems to have stopped completely, with people locked in houses, is certainly strong and makes you think a lot.

However now the situation is slowly improving, people are pushing for the possibility of going out more and more. 

There is a bit of a division in the society between those who would like to reopen as much as possible and those who still have in their heads the images of the coffins leaving Bergamo on military vehicles, and therefore are more cautious and call for attention. 

We are in a period of transition, as most of the world, with which we still have to deal.

How has it been experiencing two different sides of the lockdown, from Groningen and now Italy?

A: In Groningen I could go out without problems, meet with 3 friends and spend a nice afternoon in the park. The only real measure was keeping the 1.5 m distance.

Of course the bars and restaurant were all closed, but still the life was quite enjoyable.

To make you understand, in Groningen if you went around with a mask you felt observed, judged almost as you were doing something exaggerated. 

In Bergamo the masks are mandatory.

These are two uncomparable situations.

The response to the Pandemic has differed from country to country. Some responses have been praised, others have been criticised. Knowing what you know about the Italian government, can you tell me your feelings on their response? Is there any resentment from the local people?

A: I can certainly say, that especially in Lombardy there have been serious shortcomings by local politicians who initially underestimated the seriousness of the problem. The Bergamo area should have been closed much earlier, and separated from the rest of the region. This was not done for economic interests, since Bergamo is one of the most productive and economically rich provinces of the whole nation. 

This “not-done” closure has certainly had terrible repercussions on the population.  Lombardy alone has nearly 10% of Covid’s worldwide deaths – someone has to take responsibility for these deaths. 

There is therefore surely a big resentment in the local population.

Then the government did what was necessary to deal with the horrendous situation that came into being, so they blocked the entire country.

On the long term this will have huge economic implications, and the national public debate is now touching on this point a lot.

Ameland in the Netherlands, north of Groningen

Thank you for your time Andrea. 

One final thing would be to ask what your plans are going forward and what you envision for yourself after a semblance of normality returns to the world?

A: I personally aim to finish the Master lessons as soon as possible, so then I can focus solely on the internship.

Of course I would like to start to work later, but I will see what will be possible.

Thanks to you Tom.

So there we go. Thanks again Andrea.

This begins a new series I will be dedicating to talking to students.

At a time like this, it’s imperative to hear these personal accounts of hardship, so once the dust settles, we realise that we came together to triumph over adversity. Where the human spirits lies, the human spirit will prevail.